tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4829093857574761981.post2160357769351849944..comments2024-03-29T13:22:19.434+00:00Comments on Roles, Rules, and Rolls: Gore DisgustRoger G-Shttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08594440701279968693noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4829093857574761981.post-66826546647546470412011-06-09T15:13:38.103+01:002011-06-09T15:13:38.103+01:00@richard: I think those stats were primarily about...@richard: I think those stats were primarily about all kinds of crime and in my experience, neighborhoods run by the Mob tend to be suspiciously free of petty street crime. As for fainting, like the lowered heart rate I think that may be a survival of a very primitive reaction to seeing your *own* blood and injuries; not everything is perfectly functional in evolution (appendix, etc.)<br /><br />@TC: Thanks! I know I use some of these concepts to spice up my own game, certain of my players are still shuddering at the pitiful memory of the crudely "castrated" troglodyte they found chained to the wall ...Roger G-Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08594440701279968693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4829093857574761981.post-31545283290755869642011-06-09T05:56:54.068+01:002011-06-09T05:56:54.068+01:00I have to say the fact that I'm reading posts ...I have to say the fact that I'm reading posts about disgust, written by a scholar of the subject, in order to be a better DM is another reason for me to love the OSR :) Thanks for sharing.<br /><br />I think what I tend to call "creepy" in my games is related to this post and your last, body horror some might call it.Telecanterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07238356788092725244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4829093857574761981.post-89774585176061773172011-06-08T22:47:43.280+01:002011-06-08T22:47:43.280+01:00Hmmmm... regarding the slaughterhouse link, isn...Hmmmm... regarding the slaughterhouse link, isn't that an industry, like gambling and dock work, that's very frequently run by organized crime? There might well be a correlation, which has nothing to do with the desensitizing effects of the environment and everything to do with financing and the fringe benefits of large-scale disposal of animal remains.<br /><br />My question about fainting and vomiting was really about your citing reasonable evolutionary advantages to some kinds of disgust. I can't see any advantages to fainting or vomiting under stress.richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13517340075234811323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4829093857574761981.post-39604340698406244132011-06-08T22:23:32.570+01:002011-06-08T22:23:32.570+01:00@ckutalik: Indeed, Grossman cites the training to ...@ckutalik: Indeed, Grossman cites the training to kill easily as a major factor in trauma - moral trauma - in vets from Nam and after.<br /><br />@Stuart: Well, there's <a href="http://www.thestar.com/news/insight/article/809521--probing-the-link-between-slaughterhouses-and-violent-crime" rel="nofollow">this research</a> linking slaughterhouse work to higher crime ... I'd imagine people who kill animals get used to ending life in a way that may generalize to humans for some.<br /><br />@kaptainvon: If Grossman's conjecture and some of the other implications are correct, encouraging people to enact violence from a first-person perspective may be more desensitizing than viewing gore from a third-person perspective (i.e.in a war game where you are just moving little figures around). Research is lacking on this as far as I can tell.<br /><br />@richard - Fainting is a pretty common extreme manifestation of this kind of phobia, and vomiting goes with disgust. Not sure why you would be getting more sensitive though ...Roger G-Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08594440701279968693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4829093857574761981.post-49858179662263982252011-06-08T11:05:30.531+01:002011-06-08T11:05:30.531+01:00Really interesting series. I find myself getting m...Really interesting series. I find myself getting more squeamish about, eg, TV medical dramas over time, what I think of as surgery porn. I wonder why this is - if I've identified myself as someone who doesn't do this activity or what. <br /><br />Certainly I had some trouble being around preserved cadavers in art school. Do you have any insight to share regarding specific reactions - fainting response or vomiting or whatever?richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13517340075234811323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4829093857574761981.post-17480807862071937552011-06-08T08:13:26.393+01:002011-06-08T08:13:26.393+01:00How do you feel about a game, or other piece of me...How do you feel about a game, or other piece of media for that matter, that shows violence against people (or other gore-containing things) without showing the physical consequences of that violence (an amount of gore appropriate to the kind of violence shown, that is not dwelt on for its own sake)?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4829093857574761981.post-26710624928593579392011-06-08T02:45:08.144+01:002011-06-08T02:45:08.144+01:00Really interesting stuff. What about a butcher or ...Really interesting stuff. What about a butcher or hunter? Is it a human specific reaction?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13457050225967190052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4829093857574761981.post-61878477289552389482011-06-08T02:32:00.116+01:002011-06-08T02:32:00.116+01:00Yep, definitely "enjoying" this series o...Yep, definitely "enjoying" this series of posts, too. Good reading.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18031181424520125213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4829093857574761981.post-7680202831636419102011-06-08T01:52:16.675+01:002011-06-08T01:52:16.675+01:00"Army psychiatrist David Grossman made this c..."Army psychiatrist David Grossman made this case in the book On Killing, gathering historical and clinical evidence that many soldiers actually avoid directly harming the enemy - an aversion eliminated in US ground forces since Vietnam through human-target conditioning."<br /><br />This was the part I rebelled against myself. The experience of combat especially as it has evolved in the internal culture of the US Army is like an open invitation to have a mental break down. <br /><br />Tangent aside I look forward to see where this goes.Chris Kutalikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01414743509426875792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4829093857574761981.post-29728609527394530022011-06-08T01:17:13.376+01:002011-06-08T01:17:13.376+01:00An interesting thing I've found in my own expe...An interesting thing I've found in my own experience with my medical training. I never had a particularly strong reaction to blood, guts, or corpses--and I think this is true of most people who successfully complete medical training.<br /><br />However, my experiences have made me a bit more squeemish about violence in films. I can't watch a guy getting beaten with blunt implement with thinking of the lasting neurologic damage I've seen people suffer, or a person get shot in an extremity, with remembering the nasty leg compartment syndrome I saw as a student.<br /><br />Anyway, given the recent research I've seen on digust and moral judgement, I'm interested the next post in the series.Treyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04647628467658839351noreply@blogger.com