tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4829093857574761981.post2544331267242328949..comments2024-03-26T01:17:49.256+00:00Comments on Roles, Rules, and Rolls: D&D Next: (Dis)advantageRoger G-Shttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08594440701279968693noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4829093857574761981.post-19241994871484394172014-10-30T17:23:01.167+00:002014-10-30T17:23:01.167+00:00I forgot to finish this equation:
1 - 19/20 * (1 -...I forgot to finish this equation:<br />1 - 19/20 * (1 - 7/20 * 1/20) = 533/8000 < 6.66%Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4829093857574761981.post-50500529188690761692014-10-30T17:19:23.948+00:002014-10-30T17:19:23.948+00:00Charlatan75, you're right that rolling both si...Charlatan75, you're right that rolling both simultaneously gives a 39/400 chance of crit, i.e 9.75%.<br /><br />But you're missing that you aren't re-rolling every non-crit, you're just re-rolling every miss. So say for example that the combination of modifiers, AC etch is such that you hit on an 8+ (which not uncommon).<br /><br />That means you only reroll if the first die is 7 or lower, so your chance of crit is a little under 6.67 percent.<br /><br />So Monty Hall is very much relevant.<br /><br />The math for rolling both simulateously is:<br />1 - 19/20 * 19/20 = 9.75%<br />For rolling one after the other on a 8+ to hit is:<br /><br />1 - 19/20 * (1 - 7/20 * 1/20)<br /><br />This is not the biggest reason I have for not granting rerolls after the fact. I dislike it because it feels jarring to me. First you fail, and then, whoops, you succeeded after all. (Never was that sold on the "Fortunue in the Middle"-idea.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4829093857574761981.post-13205199683333362522012-06-14T13:42:56.425+01:002012-06-14T13:42:56.425+01:00This depends, I guess, on whether you reroll only ...This depends, I guess, on whether you reroll only on a miss. I'd just play it as rolling two dice simultaneously, though.Roger G-Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08594440701279968693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4829093857574761981.post-21092757880076553772012-06-14T12:02:27.607+01:002012-06-14T12:02:27.607+01:00I really don't like the rule - it's just b...I really don't like the rule - it's just bonuses for the sake of bonuses to end combat faster, which, if you are coming from a slow edition is a good thing but if you already have fast combat then there's nothing to see here.Kiltedyaksmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03462341093016199620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4829093857574761981.post-55991382884163608152012-06-13T17:47:29.797+01:002012-06-13T17:47:29.797+01:00This feels like a misapplication of Monty Hall. I...This feels like a misapplication of Monty Hall. If you're re-rolling, there's a 1/20 shot you hit a 20 and don't re-roll, and a 19/400 shot that you do re-roll and hit 20, so your crit chance is 39/400. If you roll both simultaneously, there's a 361/400 chance that neither hits 20, leaving a 39/400 chance that you hit 20 at least once. What am I missing?Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13595082643036277704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4829093857574761981.post-77482395994093239432012-06-10T01:55:40.280+01:002012-06-10T01:55:40.280+01:00The probability of rolling any one particular numb...The probability of rolling any one particular number increases when multiple dice are rolled at the same time as opposed to one die being rolled and then re-rolled. With a single die being rolled twice, your chances are 1 in 20 both times. However, with two dice rolled at the same time, you have a 1 in 20 chance on both dice, plus the possibility of both dice rolling the same result. So your chances of rolling a particular result actually increase. I know the math sounds funny, but I started looking into dice probability at one point and it's true.Rrok Anrollehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16188784481939197693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4829093857574761981.post-89302841112422467032012-05-30T15:34:49.985+01:002012-05-30T15:34:49.985+01:00How does a re-roll avoid criticals? If they get a ...How does a re-roll avoid criticals? If they get a 20 on either die, that's a critical, no, even if the second roll is deferred? What am I missing?Necropraxishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12716340801054739658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4829093857574761981.post-63716310762761756422012-05-30T15:29:24.003+01:002012-05-30T15:29:24.003+01:00I forgot about criticals (as I don't particula...I forgot about criticals (as I don't particularly care for them in the first place). However, I would still suggest the DM use the reroll method for packs of identical monsters. I don't think anyone will be too upset if a horde of goblins misses out on a few criticals.Hedgehobbithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17606283586332210195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4829093857574761981.post-34208230690074188232012-05-30T14:02:11.315+01:002012-05-30T14:02:11.315+01:00The only pitfall of rerolls is that it cheats the ...The only pitfall of rerolls is that it cheats the roller out of potential critical hits they might have scored had they actually rolled 2 dice when they had advantage.LucidDionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11691189006761497558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4829093857574761981.post-64600825851874314342012-05-29T22:12:38.002+01:002012-05-29T22:12:38.002+01:00Games Workshop has been using a similar mechanic f...Games Workshop has been using a similar mechanic for years now; granting the ability to re-roll failures. I think I prefer re-rolls because it allows the DM to grant advantage after the player rolls his die (in the case where he either forgot about it or the player can make a convincing argument that he should get it). Rerolling also lets you roll dice for multiple combatants at the same time without forcing you to pair up dice.<br /><br />These two methods would be identical as long as there isn't any sort of level of success mechanic.Hedgehobbithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17606283586332210195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4829093857574761981.post-89768439467133566352012-05-29T15:08:42.285+01:002012-05-29T15:08:42.285+01:00It played really well at the table for me last nig...It played really well at the table for me last night. I've always liked this mechanic, ever since I saw it in Philotomy's OD&D house rules for two-weapon fighting.<br /><br />@Anathemata<br /><br />So far, it seems they are consciously avoiding the dissociated design. The only possible exception is the use of some saving throws, like undead making wisdom saves to resist turning. That seems to be mechanics before meaning, to me.Necropraxishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12716340801054739658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4829093857574761981.post-12472962822582673942012-05-29T03:38:48.417+01:002012-05-29T03:38:48.417+01:00This is a great breakdown. Let's hope the stuf...This is a great breakdown. Let's hope the stuff we see from D&D 5 is more like this than the dissociated stuff that's more prevalent in the playtest.Anathematahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03459426255827443025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4829093857574761981.post-71685723434904588782012-05-29T02:14:53.366+01:002012-05-29T02:14:53.366+01:00The Advantage/disadvantage system gives me a warm ...The Advantage/disadvantage system gives me a warm fuzzy. I can't wait to see how it works in play.<br /><br />- ArkArkheinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04197738947435750745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4829093857574761981.post-30439502321174954722012-05-28T22:45:25.519+01:002012-05-28T22:45:25.519+01:00Probably the best rule to come out of d&dn.Probably the best rule to come out of d&dn.UWS guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01277557128674527225noreply@blogger.com